[QUOTE=Phat Mack;16655649]Another thing that comes up when discussing Pineapple variations is the degree of nutness need to win. Here's a chart illustrating the distribution of low winners for 5- and 10 handed Lazy Pineapple 8, with 5- and 10-handed O8 thrown in for comparison.
These data are taken from showdown sims, not from PPT-style sims. (It might be instructive to gather nutness data from a sim of players playing only PPT approved hands however.)
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[QUOTE=Phat Mack;16679570]Same as above, but the nutness of the High hand.
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[QUOTE=Phat Mack;16685386]K. They are merely an accounting of what wins a hand: The Nuts, the 2nd nuts, 3rd nuts etc.
Let's take an omaha8 hand for low. With a board of 6:spade:7:club:8:heart:K:heart:K:diamond:, the nut low would be A2678, the 2nd nut low would be A3678, 3rd nut would be 23678, and so on.
If the hand was won by A4678, then the 4th nut low bin receives a tally. At the end of the sim, everything is added up, so looking at the charts....
In ten-handed no-foldem O8, ~37% of the hands are won by the nuts. In ten-handed Lazy Pineapple, ~23% of the hands are won by the nuts. In five-handed no-foldem O8 ~10% of the hands are won by the 3rd nuts.
Looking at the right of the chart, in both games the number of hands that don't have a low winner is between ~40% - ~44%.
Note that on many flop games, omaha 8 for example, there are only 10 degrees of low nutness, while there are many more for high. So for these charts, I lumped all the high nut winners >10 together.
As I mentioned, these charts are for showdown sims. I'm not sure anything greatly useful is contained in them, but over the years there have been discussions of which games "need the nuts" to win.[/QUOTE]
